Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.

However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move to TLP.

http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution

Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
your name yet.

[ ] +1 I support the proposal
[ ] +0 I don't care
[ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...

Voting will close in one week.

Hen

+1

Henri Yandell wrote:
> Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
>
> However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move to
> TLP.
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
>
> Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> your name yet.
>
> [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> [ ] +0 I don't care
> [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
>
> Voting will close in one week.
>
> Hen
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Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> [X] +1 I support the proposal
> [ ] +0 I don't care
> [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
>

Regards,
Mladen.

+1

On 08.05.2007, at 19:20, Henri Yandell wrote:

> Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
>
> However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it
> move to TLP.
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
>
> Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> your name yet.
>
> [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> [ ] +0 I don't care
> [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
>
> Voting will close in one week.
>
> Hen
>
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Henri Yandell wrote:
> [X] +1 I support the proposal
> [ ] +0 I don't care
> [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
>

Oliver

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Stephen

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[X] +1 I support the proposal
> [ ] +0 I don't care
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>


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Henri Yandell wrote:
> [X] +1 I support the proposal
> [ ] +0 I don't care
> [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...

Mark

+1

Niall

On 5/8/07, Henri Yandell <bayard [at] apache.org> wrote:
> Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
>
> However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move to TLP.
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
>
> Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> your name yet.
>
> [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> [ ] +0 I don't care
> [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
>
> Voting will close in one week.
>
> Hen
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On Tue, 8 May 2007, Henri Yandell <bayard [at] apache.org> wrote:

> Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
>
> However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it
> move to TLP.
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution

+1

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Leave me out of this sheet!!!!

On 5/8/07, Stefan Bodewig <bodewig [at] apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 8 May 2007, Henri Yandell <bayard [at] apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
> >
> > However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it
> > move to TLP.
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
>
> +1
>
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+1

Phil

Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.

However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move to =
TLP.

http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution

Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
your name yet.

[ ] +1 I support the proposal
[ ] +0 I don't care
[ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...

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+1

Henri Yandell wrote on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:20 PM:

> Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
>
> However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that
> it move to TLP.
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
>
> Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> your name yet.
>
> [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> [ ] +0 I don't care
> [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
>
> Voting will close in one week.
>
> Hen
>
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On 5/9/07, Jörg Schaible <Joerg.Schaible [at] elsag-solutions.com> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> Henri Yandell wrote on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:20 PM:
>
> > Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
> >
> > However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that
> > it move to TLP.
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
> >
> > Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> > your name yet.
> >
> > [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> > [ ] +0 I don't care
> > [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
> >
> > Voting will close in one week.
> >
> > Hen
> >
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> Hi,

I am not a Jakarta commiter, and also vote is not binding, but I want
to ask something. What are the benefits for commons of moving to a
TLP?
Also as I read the official commons intro, it states that commons is a
project "focused on all aspects of reusable Java components". So
as we all know Jakarta is a devision of Apache, that deals with the
Java open-source projects in the foundation, therefore, as I see it,
it would be better for commons to stay in the Jakarta.
So, maybe I am wrong, but I don't see any direct benefit for commons to mov=
e
to a TLP.
That's why, I have to vote:

-1

and ask you to prove me wrong.

Thank you all.

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On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 10:20 -0700, Henri Yandell wrote:
> Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
>
> However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move to TLP.
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
>
> Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> your name yet.
>
> [X] +1 I support the proposal

Cheers

Jean-Frederic

> [ ] +0 I don't care
> [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
>
> Voting will close in one week.
>
> Hen
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> [X] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...

diffing the Wiki text against the template in SVN
(https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/templ ates/subproject-tlp-resolution.txt)
shows significant differences. I'd like you to update the proposal
accordingly. As this proposal will not make the next board meeting
anyway, there is plenty of time to do so.

If this is done, then my vote will be +1.

Best regards
Henning


Henri Yandell schrieb:
> Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
>
> However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move to
> TLP.
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
>
> Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> your name yet.
>
> [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> [ ] +0 I don't care
> [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
>
> Voting will close in one week.
>
> Hen
>
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On Tue, 8 May 2007, Henri Yandell wrote:
> However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move to
> TLP.

+1

Nick

On 5/9/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <hps [at] intermeta.de> wrote:
> > [X] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
>
> diffing the Wiki text against the template in SVN
> (https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/templ ates/subproject-tlp-resolution.txt)
> shows significant differences. I'd like you to update the proposal
> accordingly. As this proposal will not make the next board meeting
> anyway, there is plenty of time to do so.
>
> If this is done, then my vote will be +1.

Yeah, there was recent activity in changing that. Turbine/POI ones
might have the same problem.

I'll get it fixed (unless someone else hops in and does it).

Hen

Don't know about POI, Turbine is fine, Scott used the right template.

Best regards
Henning


Henri Yandell schrieb:
> On 5/9/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <hps [at] intermeta.de> wrote:
>> > [X] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
>>
>> diffing the Wiki text against the template in SVN
>> (https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/templ ates/subproject-tlp-resolution.txt)
>>
>> shows significant differences. I'd like you to update the proposal
>> accordingly. As this proposal will not make the next board meeting
>> anyway, there is plenty of time to do so.
>>
>> If this is done, then my vote will be +1.
>
> Yeah, there was recent activity in changing that. Turbine/POI ones
> might have the same problem.
>
> I'll get it fixed (unless someone else hops in and does it).
>
> Hen
>
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+1

On 5/8/07, Niall Pemberton <niall.pemberton [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> Niall
>
> On 5/8/07, Henri Yandell <bayard [at] apache.org> wrote:
> > Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
> >
> > However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move to TLP.
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
> >
> > Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> > your name yet.
> >
> > [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> > [ ] +0 I don't care
> > [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
> >
> > Voting will close in one week.
> >
> > Hen
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This came up on commons-dev when we were discussing the idea:

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-commons-dev /200704.mbox/%3=
ce75283b10704031231w7df2cabck21f07c99d37c20d0 [at] mail.gmail.com %3e

My reply was:

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-commons-dev /200704.mbox/%3=
c31cc37360704031335u3586efdeub65591aa92d2c5d7 [at] mail.gmail.com %3e

The hard part, as you pointed out, is that we all know that Jakarta
means open source Java. It still shows up on job specs every now and
then as its own technology. However from a community point of view,
Jakarta is still in many ways the same copy of the Apache it was many
years ago and that doesn't fit well into the structure at Apache.
Individual communities should be tlps and not be within tlps.

The extremely loose direction we're moving in is for the remaining
active sub-communities within Jakarta to move to TLP, any nearly
active parts to be discussing whether there is a possible new home
(for example, Regexp/ORO -> Commons has long been discussed) and for
inactive projects to be managed in some way (many of the Taglibs while
maybe still used have no future and no development activity for years;
ECS is also very maintenance and Slide seems to be slowly heading the
same way afaik). That still leaves people stuck in a grey area, and
we'll need to figure out what to do there. As we're a bunch of
subcommunities, we'll continue to do this in our slow galactic-council
way.

From what I've heard - discussion at ApacheCon in Amsterdam was that
we want to continue to do something with the Jakarta name, possibly an
open source Java at Apache portal/federation so the old 'Jakarta
equals open source Java at Apache' viewpoint can come back :) Of
course we might not convince the board on a commons.apache.org, there
was something there before and we do have Java in our tlp resolution
which may be considered bad.

Hope that helps,

Hen

On 5/8/07, Petar Tahchiev <paranoiabla.lists [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/9/07, Jörg Schaible <Joerg.Schaible [at] elsag-solutions.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1
> >
> > Henri Yandell wrote on Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:20 PM:
> >
> > > Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
> > >
> > > However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that
> > > it move to TLP.
> > >
> > > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
> > >
> > > Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> > > your name yet.
> > >
> > > [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> > > [ ] +0 I don't care
> > > [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
> > >
> > > Voting will close in one week.
> > >
> > > Hen
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> > Hi,
>
> I am not a Jakarta commiter, and also vote is not binding, but I want
> to ask something. What are the benefits for commons of moving to a
> TLP?
> Also as I read the official commons intro, it states that commons is a
> project "focused on all aspects of reusable Java components". So
> as we all know Jakarta is a devision of Apache, that deals with the
> Java open-source projects in the foundation, therefore, as I see it,
> it would be better for commons to stay in the Jakarta.
> So, maybe I am wrong, but I don't see any direct benefit for commons to m=
ove
> to a TLP.
> That's why, I have to vote:
>
> -1
>
> and ask you to prove me wrong.
>
> Thank you all.
>
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+1

Henri Yandell wrote:
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It would be nice if the proposal allowed for some flexibility as to language.

We do have several ASF products written in C#, and the notion of
starting a C# commons has come up a couple of times in discussions
between open source C# developers.

-Ted.

On 5/8/07, Henri Yandell <bayard [at] apache.org> wrote:
> Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
>
> However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move to TLP.
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
>
> Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> your name yet.
>
> [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> [ ] +0 I don't care
> [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
>
> Voting will close in one week.

Hi,

I think this was discussed before and the consensus was "we will change
the charter if a C# project actually shows up". Jakarta is dying because
there is not enough adhesion between the projects. The binding element
of the commons TLP is currently "we are developing Java components". If
there is significant mass in any other language/technology, it is simple
to update the charter later, not to over-engineer it at inception.

Best regards
Henning

On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 15:44 -0400, Ted Husted wrote:
> It would be nice if the proposal allowed for some flexibility as to language.
>
> We do have several ASF products written in C#, and the notion of
> starting a C# commons has come up a couple of times in discussions
> between open source C# developers.
>
> -Ted.
>
> On 5/8/07, Henri Yandell <bayard [at] apache.org> wrote:
> > Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
> >
> > However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move to TLP.
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
> >
> > Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> > your name yet.
> >
> > [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> > [ ] +0 I don't care
> > [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
> >
> > Voting will close in one week.
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+1

Oliver

2007/5/8, Henri Yandell <bayard [at] apache.org>:
> Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
>
> However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move to TLP.
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
>
> Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> your name yet.
>
> [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> [ ] +0 I don't care
> [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
>
> Voting will close in one week.
>
> Hen
>
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Henri Yandell wrote:
> Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
>
> However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move
> to TLP.
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
>
> Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> your name yet.
>
> [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> [ ] +0 I don't care
> [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
>
> Voting will close in one week.
+1

---rony

> I am not a Jakarta commiter, and also vote is not binding, but I want
> to ask something. What are the benefits for commons of moving to a

You are a Jakarta committer :)

Mvgr,
Martin

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On 5/10/07, Martin van den Bemt <mllist [at] mvdb.net> wrote:
>
> > I am not a Jakarta commiter, and also vote is not binding, but I want
> > to ask something. What are the benefits for commons of moving to a
>
> You are a Jakarta committer :)
>
> Mvgr,
> Martin
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Sorry about that :-(
I meant to say "I am not a Jakarta Commons comitter".

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+1

Scott

Henri Yandell wrote:
> Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
>
> However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move
> to TLP.
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
>
> Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> your name yet.
>
> [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> [ ] +0 I don't care
> [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
>
> Voting will close in one week.
>
> Hen

+1

Yegor
> Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.

> However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move to TLP.

> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution

> Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> your name yet.

> [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> [ ] +0 I don't care
> [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...

> Voting will close in one week.

> Hen

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Fuck you guys!!!

On 5/9/07, Yegor Kozlov <yegor [at] dinom.ru> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> Yegor
> > Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
>
> > However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move to
> TLP.
>
> > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
>
> > Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> > your name yet.
>
> > [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> > [ ] +0 I don't care
> > [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
>
> > Voting will close in one week.
>
> > Hen
>
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> However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move
> to TLP.

+1 (non binding)

>
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
>
> Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> your name yet.

I think you have already explained that yesterday, but I didn't understand ...
The list seems to be intended for PMCs, not for the hundreds of simple
committers like me ?

Luc

Hi!
>
> [X ] +1 I support the proposal
> [ ] +0 I don't care
> [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...


Ciao,
Mario

On 5/10/07, luc.maisonobe [at] free.fr <luc.maisonobe [at] free.fr> wrote:
>
> > However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move
> > to TLP.
>
> +1 (non binding)
>
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
> >
> > Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> > your name yet.
>
> I think you have already explained that yesterday, but I didn't understand ...
> The list seems to be intended for PMCs, not for the hundreds of simple
> committers like me ?

At this time it tends to be common for the new PMC to be formed of the
committers. It can depend, if someone is a new committer then it'll be
weird adding them to the PMC from the get go (least that seems to be
the general opinion).

I realized today that this is a subject that hasn't come up - where
will the committer list come from. Personally I'm in favour of using
the current jakarta committer list to define the list of people with
karma to a TLP Commons.

If you feel you're an active committer, I'd add your name.

Hen

Selon Henri Yandell <flamefew [at] gmail.com>:


> At this time it tends to be common for the new PMC to be formed of the
> committers. It can depend, if someone is a new committer then it'll be
> weird adding them to the PMC from the get go (least that seems to be
> the general opinion).
>
> I realized today that this is a subject that hasn't come up - where
> will the committer list come from. Personally I'm in favour of using
> the current jakarta committer list to define the list of people with
> karma to a TLP Commons.
>
> If you feel you're an active committer, I'd add your name.

I am active on commons-math. I would be happy to be more involved, but I let you
judge by yourself if I am active enough.

Luc

Then why not just strike the word "Java" from the resolution now?

-Ted.

On 5/9/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <hps [at] intermeta.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think this was discussed before and the consensus was "we will change
> the charter if a C# project actually shows up". Jakarta is dying because
> there is not enough adhesion between the projects. The binding element
> of the commons TLP is currently "we are developing Java components". If
> there is significant mass in any other language/technology, it is simple
> to update the charter later, not to over-engineer it at inception.
>
> Best regards
> Henning
>
> On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 15:44 -0400, Ted Husted wrote:
> > It would be nice if the proposal allowed for some flexibility as to language.
> >
> > We do have several ASF products written in C#, and the notion of
> > starting a C# commons has come up a couple of times in discussions
> > between open source C# developers.
> >
> > -Ted.
> >
> > On 5/8/07, Henri Yandell <bayard [at] apache.org> wrote:
> > > Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
> > >
> > > However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move to TLP.
> > >
> > > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
> > >
> > > Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> > > your name yet.
> > >
> > > [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> > > [ ] +0 I don't care
> > > [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
> > >
> > > Voting will close in one week.
> >
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On 5/8/07, Henri Yandell <bayard [at] apache.org> wrote:
> [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> [ ] +0 I don't care
> [x] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...

I do not feel the draft resolution adequately addresses several
remarks made in the discussion thread.

The resolution should address issues raised as to the scope of the PMC
and the use of the commons namespace. Comments on the other thread
included remarks like

* "We'll do whatever the community wants to do. If someone proposes a
Ruby library and we have a community interested in creating and
supporting a Ruby library, then it would of course be strongly
considered. "

and

* "Multiple PMCs, one website. So we'd have Java Commons, Ruby
Commons, BobsYourUncle Commons PMCs, and they'd all share a
commons.apache.org website."

But, as it stands, the resolution implies that the proposed PMC will
be excluded to Java and would own both the top-level "Commons" project
name and the "commons.apache.org" namespace. Neither remark is
addressed.

If we are open to a TLP "Ruby Commons" or "DotNet Commons", then we
should reflect that openness in the resolution and in the project
name. We can't use "Java" (been there, Sun complained). But we can
preserve the Jakarta name, and leave the door open for an top-level
Apache XML Commons or a top-level Apache C# Commons. So why not the
"Apache Jakarta Commons Project"?

Or, if we intend that this PMC provide oversight for components in
other languages later, then we should strike the word "Java" from the
resolution now, and clarify our intent.

Time is not of the essence, and I believe we should define the scope
of the PMC and the "commons.apache.org" host name and namespace now,
rather than create FUD later. It took five hundred email messages to
create the commons in the first place, and we can spare a few more to
get the TLP resolution right.

My suggestion is to

* amend the Project name to "Apache Jakarta Commons PMC".

and setup shop as commons.apache.org/jakarta

Let the focus of this PMC remain on Java, but, in the Apache spirit of
openness and collaboration, make way for other Apache Commons projects
in other languages.

-Ted.

On 5/10/07, Henri Yandell <flamefew [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/10/07, luc.maisonobe [at] free.fr <luc.maisonobe [at] free.fr> wrote:
> >
> > > However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move
> > > to TLP.
> >
> > +1 (non binding)
> >
> > >
> > > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
> > >
> > > Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> > > your name yet.
> >
> > I think you have already explained that yesterday, but I didn't understand ...
> > The list seems to be intended for PMCs, not for the hundreds of simple
> > committers like me ?
>
> At this time it tends to be common for the new PMC to be formed of the
> committers. It can depend, if someone is a new committer then it'll be
> weird adding them to the PMC from the get go (least that seems to be
> the general opinion).

IMO Luc (and any other active commons committers not on the Jakarta
PMC) should add his name if he wants to. I believe we have enough
people with experience on the proposed PMC list which means we can
accomodate the one or two who haven't been around as long.

> I realized today that this is a subject that hasn't come up - where
> will the committer list come from. Personally I'm in favour of using
> the current jakarta committer list to define the list of people with
> karma to a TLP Commons.

+1, otherwise we'll end up either losing people who have contributed
in the past and might want to again or having endless votes to
re-grant karma.

> If you feel you're an active committer, I'd add your name.

+1

Niall

> Hen